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All right I has the STRONG CAP 2 FEELS and frankly all my other social media options suck for spoilers, so:

Honestly I'm not sure I took all that in, oh no I may have to rewatch it. Like that it's all trust and identity and figuring out where you fit in. Scattered thoughts:

Robert Redford lends a film some gravitas.

Agent 13: her aunt with insomnia is Peggy? I liked that she was in it and had good stuff but it was low-key, as I don't think you could fit more in.

CROSSBONES! It nagged me for ages that his second-in-command guy looked familiar and IMDB reveals he was Draz the skateboarding teen off Heartbreak High, dating myself a bit there.

The fight scenes were awesome - more ripping things to pieces with your ROBOT ARM, Bucky - but super choppy and sometimes hard to follow. I liked that they were kinda brutal, especially the one in the lift.

Sam and Natasha were great - well-used, get their own excellent scenes, and show how Cap ends up trusting two very different people to have his back.

Mostly I have Bucky feels, though. "Who the hell is Bucky?" YISS. I would've liked a bit more closure at the end, but he's gotta be back for Cap 3, right? The scene where they're about to brainwash him and hand him the mouthguard was a killer, and Steve standing on the bridge wondering if he could take him out, and "Please don't make me do this". And basically when everyone goes off at the end to find their new place in life, Steve's mission in life: Bucky is his mission. Till the end of the line. I dunno, my slash goggles are not generally that strong but I could see that one.

Bonus side effect: suddenly, I am interested in seeing what Agents of SHIELD does next.

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Date: 2014-03-27 11:02 pm (UTC)
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So I think within the constraints of its genre this was about as good as it could be.

Politically it's incoherent. Hydra as the uber-conspiracy is disappointing -- but, OK, they lean heavy on SHIELD as the other side of the same coin and dismantle them both -- but then they add the Black Widow testimony scene about how what we really need is a bunch of exceptional people to protect us. I think the script has its heart in the right place, but because they're only going to deconstruct SHIELD and not the whole rationale for superheroes, it ends up in a rather libertarian place, distrusting all forms of organisational power.

But the fight scenes are brilliant, the character work is brilliant, the overall structure and pacing are pretty good, and I really loved the feel of it.

Whoever cut the trailer is a genius. Not just "Your work has been a gift to mankind" -- which bugged me from the get-go, as it didn't make sense addressed to either Cap or to Fury, and I couldn't see the third possibility -- but "You need to keep both eyes open" and in particular "Are you ready, for the world to see you as you really are?" -- the latter surely being the most obvious hook for a Black Widow solo film ever.

It's an interesting feeling seeing a film this deep in the MCU, though. It does feel like its own thing, but it's also so much part of a larger thing, I feel a bit like I've seen two hours of an incredibly slowly made TV series.

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Date: 2014-03-27 11:46 pm (UTC)
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Politics: I'm not sure I agree, actually, Cap as he exists in the MCU strikes me as quite suitable for that sort of story. I think it's the larger architecture of the universe blocking it. I suppose one gloss on my issues with the politics is that it feels like the film was travelling in the right direction but was artificially derailed.

Hydra was almost worth it for Toby Jones, though. Is that from the comics?

Romance: er, there isn't one? I mean, if I have to pick I pick Agent 13, who I take it is more significant a character than she appears, since Steve actually makes a pass at her and she clearly has a soft spot for him. But since they only have one and a half scenes together I'd say it's more setup for the future than anything else.

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Date: 2014-03-28 06:36 am (UTC)
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I think this Captain America is clearly prepared to believe in an organisation that shares his values and works for global peace and security. I think the ending of this film suggests that the MCU will not allow any such organisation to exist, or not for long, because it doesn't want Cap (or any of the other heroes) to be less than the ultimate authority in their own stories. A good and functional version of SHIELD would be subversive because it make superheroes a part of society; so SHIELD can never allowed to be good and functional.

Structurally, if you want to argue that we're being set up for some kind of story where Sam and Bucky pull Cap in different directions in the third film, I'd be inclined to agree, but I don't really think they're going to turn it into romance.

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Date: 2014-03-28 11:45 pm (UTC)
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I have no idea who Crossbones is.

Honestly I don't get a romantic vibe from any of Bucky and Cap's interactions, I think Bucky is more of a big brother figure for Steve -- someone he looked up to, and idolised, and ultimately failed.

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Date: 2014-03-29 09:45 pm (UTC)
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Not even the bit where Bucky invites him to shack up? I feel like the film totally supports a reading where Steve is gay, although it doesn't require it per se. The whole thing with Natasha fishing for information on Steve's sex life and his level of romantic interest post ice - will that part never be un frozen because of Bucky? Plus the whole shacking up thing and the last 10 minutes of "oh I will not leave you!" I actually kind of like the idea that it's left open - I think that's an interesting choice.

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